Opinion: TRUE cost of health tourism: Foreigners cost NHS up to £2BN a year ex MailOnline – John Gelmini

English: Enoch Powell

English: Enoch Powell (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Dr Alf raises serious points about the NHS and the Daily Mail and the Government probably both underestimate the scale of the problem.

To begin with, the population is at least 70 million people, which includes 5 million illegal immigrants that we know are here from looking at the amount of food sold in supermarkets and the number of notes and coins in circulation plus school admissions of children whose parents are undocumented.

E-Borders which was supposed to “count people in and out ” of the country is not operational after 10 years and the money needed to fix it will not be made available any time soon.

Are we seriously suggesting that all these illegal immigrants are refusing to register with doctors or see them for emergencies, have never had accidents requiring a hospital visit and treat themselves?

The proposition is clearly nonsense so the Daily Mail is not in a position to say whether the true figure is £2 billion gbp and no-one can argue that the true figure is any less and that the Daily Mail is scaremongering.

There are 19 million spare NI numbers available to new workers and also available in down market pubs for a few hundred pounds.

Frank Field, MP, when working for Tony Blair, and tasked with “thinking the unthinkable”said that the system was riddled with fraud and should be abolished and that a new set of NI numbers should be issued after everyone in the country was personally interviewed by Home Office officials.

Tony Blair promptly sacked him and to this day no Government has chosen to revisit the system which means that no-one really knows exactly how many people live in the UK.

Dr Alf likes to talk about “evidenced based policies” and as a former Financial Director from corporate life would expect such evidence to be based on real numbers.

Sadly he will go on being disappointed.

This is unlike the days of Enoch Powell when Powell, as a member of Ted Heath’s Government was able to identify and comment on the extent and nature of their jerry-mandering of the figures by the Home Office in order to conceal from the British people what was actually going on.

Like Frank Field who came long after him, Enoch Powell was sacked for his trouble with the reason given as the “Rivers of Blood ” speech.

Today we have a Home Office that is not fit for purpose and by a mixture of incompetence and mendacity has lost control of our borders. It does not know who is in the country or how many have come or who has a right to stay.

The NHS as the largest employer in Europe, already has too many people and is an economic “basket case” living on borrowed time and money, crying out for radical reform.

Whether the figure for treating foreigners is £2 billion gbp as the Daily Mail says we will never know.

John Gelmini

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Opinion – Failure on immigration will cost the Tories dear – Telegraph – John Gelmini

English: Enoch Powell

English: Enoch Powell (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Dr Alf is right, the failure to control immigration by the Coalition will be punished by the electorate even though the policies of 3 the main political parties are all the same.

Peter Sutherland of the Bilderberg Group formulated the policy of “porous open borders” which all Bilderberg participants secretly sign up to.

These participants can be seen on the official Bilderberg website and normally include all the Prime Ministers and Presidents of EU countries, EFTA countries, the US President and plutocrats from business and commerce such as Peter Thiel of PayPal, Bill and Melinda Gates,the BBC ,which attends but never reports,the FT which attends but never reports,the Economist which attends but never reports and the heads of most major banks.

Porous open borders are the reason for the incomplete implementation of E-Borders in the UK,the fiddling of the immigration figures first discovered by the late Enoch Powell MP,the reason for the Home Office dys-functionality and the reason why the Americans allow illegal immigration from Mexico into their country.

Officially our political elite want secure borders and controlled immigration,unofficially they are pursuing a deliberate policy which is the opposite.

The evidence for this in the UK is :
–19 million spare NI numbers which can still be bought in down market pubs
–The practice of allowing rogue mosques to sell passports and new identities to new congregants and the failure of the police and the Charity Commission and HMRC to ever take action
–5 million illegal immigrants as evidenced by school admissions of children of undocumented parents, food sales beyond what the indigenous population could possibly eat, large denomination notes and coins in circulation exceeding the allotment for the official population of 63 million people in the UK
–The use by rogue agricultural gangmasters of brutal methods of near slavery and indentured servitude on hapless illegal immigrants from Eastern Europe who now do the work of picking supermarket fruit and vegetables in East Anglia but for the most part are left alone by the authorities because they know the indigenous population are incapable and unwilling to do the work.

In places like Italy much of the work done by local people in the way of traditional farming is now done by migrants from the 3rd world.

Thus in my late father’s village of Pralboino in Brescia there used to be a population of 3000 people in 2009. Now (2013)it is 4000 and 1800 of them are Punjabis, Sri Lankans, Africans and South Asians


Probably nothing short of a return to “Midsomer” with no black,brown or Oriental faces to be seen anywhere.


No, but at some point within the next 20 years I can envisage a Civil War as we saw in Bosnia or failing that all the average Englishman or indigenous inhabitant of these islands has to do is look at Bradford, Leicester,parts of Luton and Tower Hamlets.

There he or she can see “The Ghost of Christmas Future” which will be a quasi alien land run as a Medaeval Caliphate with burqua clad woman outnumbering those in Western dress.

Certainly, the way things are going the idea of “ladies bicycling down leafy lanes,”church bells ringing on Sunday at Anglican churches,pubs selling warm beer and red pillar boxes will become a distant memory which I will be able to recapture by looking at the stored photographic record from my smartphone whilst residing elsewhere.

John Gelmini

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